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One of the reasons I believe there is a God
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Providence Wrote:The line is drawn -- mathematically -- when you
go from an equal sign to a greater than sign.

You make perfect sense, mathematically.
I am not trying to say that 10^-12 = 0 because it doesn't.

If I throw confetti out of an airplane and expect it to land in
the form of the Mona Lisa, mathematically the odds that it
will do as I expect are indeed not zero. But realistically, I do
not expect my confetti to take the shape of the Mona Lisa
because I know that the odds of that happening are very small.
But mathematically you are totally correct.
The odds are there, but in my favor.

Providence Wrote:God didn't do the impossible; it wasn't impossible to
begin with -- just incredibly unlikely. That's my point.

Okay, I understand why you so desperately wanted to differentiate
the difference between absolute zero and virtual zero.
It is because you want to believe that we are here because
of an incredibly small chance. Actually, you already do.
I cannot convince you otherwise because you already know that
you are here for no reason. You are here because the confetti landed
in just the right spots. Against all odds, you exist simply because it is just so.

Providence Wrote:That, my friend, is a contradiction of terms, a failure of
imagination on your part, and a perfect example of how the human mind is
limited when it encounters things outside of its normal experience.

You're trying to inject a human element into the universe in the form of "God".
Unfortunately, anthropomorphism of that nature doesn't exist at the cosmic scale.
This has more to do with psychological transference of things that are
known -- onto things that are unknown -- rather than real, factual science.

What do you mean by that? How did you come to this conclusion?
You are doing the same thing that you accuse me of doing.
You are putting yourself above the universe and declaring that this is
the way the universe and reality really is. How do you know what you
say is true? What is your explanation for the universe then?
You are still crediting the creation of the universe to a supernatural
power whether you call it God or not. If you believe that God didn't
create the universe and rather nothing created the universe then you
have more faith than I do because I can't believe that.

Providence Wrote:No matter how much you may wish it, lies are
not the same as truth, and fallacies are not the same as evidence --
though you have much to say, little of it is of interest to me because
of your preexisting misconceptions about epistemology.

Willful blindness can be justified when the idea or opinion in question is
pointless and/or irrelevant in the first place. Simply yelling and begging
that you're right doesn't make it so. You must provide proof.

You cannot begin to review my evidence if you dismiss it as a lie to start with.
Do you think it would be wise of me to use lies as evidence in a debate?
Of course not. Willful blindness is not okay in this situation because you
already dismiss the God as an insane topic. Let me point you to a passage
from a book called Billions and Billions of Demons By Harvard Biologist, Richard Lewontin.
This passage eloquently describes the way that a prior belief in materialism
cannot allow atheists to believe there is a God.

Quote:Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common
sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science
and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent
absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of
its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the
scientific community of unsubstantiated just so stories, because we have a
prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods
and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation
of the phenomenal world, but on the contrary, that we are forced by our
a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation
and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how
counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that
materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.
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RE: One of the reasons I believe there is a God - by Annuit Coeptis - 06-28-2011, 06:32 PM

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