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(12-24-2009, 02:29 PM)Аноним Интерфейс Wrote: [ -> ]He has more of an atheist/agnostic stand-point.

To be specific... Agnostic Theist

(12-17-2009, 11:36 AM)Vorfin Wrote: [ -> ]I was reading some threads in this section, and someone said something along the lines of "It's your life, if you want to, no one will stop you" When talking about suicide.

Of course, the guy got called a heartless idiot, so, I was just wondering, why is suicide always seen so badly? There are two kinds of people, those who want attention, who will slit their wrists, but not want to die, and those who will just do it, no warning, the first time.

Of course, the people who slit, should be helped out of whatever is going on and causing them to hurt themselves, but for those who really want to die, why should we tell them they can't?

IMHO, if I wanted to die, I would just throw myself in front of a train, you would be dead in a second with no pain, your head simply explodes, however many people would try something stupid and painful to try and kill themselves, such as silting their wrists, or over dosing. Surly if someone really wants to die, and has made an informed adult decision about it, we should help them do it in the safest, and least painful way, that will cause as few problems for those around them as possible.

dude, Ive been depressed twice during my life. Ive been on pills and unsober for months .. its terrible so please don't speak so light-hearted about topics like suicide.. Most of the ppl think tha depression is just chronical bad mood but its not just that. In my case I wanted to die, but I was too lazy to hurt myself.. i was too lazy to do ANYTHING actually .. i was just lyeing in my bed 20 hours a day - no friends, no girls, no PC , no TV, nothing.. the only thing that kept me was that this is temporally and the pills will take effect .. eventually.. depression is the lack of will and desire for life.. it VERY hard to even keep breathing .. you just don't care.. many people choose to end their agony.. you shouldn't help them to do it - you should help them to stay here.. I mean .. idk.. i got emotional ..

I think everyone has the right to take their own life.
If i was to do it, i would take it with Nembutal.

What i see is the problem with suicide is it is selfish! Even if you want to kill your self someone loves you even if you think they don't. And i belive you can't make up your mind to kil your self, you can never be 100%positive about anything. Its human nature to want to survive at all cost and even if you see taking your own life as a solution to your problems its not. Everyone has probably tought about suicide before but its just that everyone has lows and high in their lives, some times these lows can last a long time and thats when you have to stop feeling sorry for your own ass and tough it out. personly talking to someone is good, who that person is is up to you. It could be anyone even someone online its whatever. But back to my point that suicide is selifish because you hurt the ones you know and may hurt they ones that love you but you don't know them. I have a great example of this is when a localy known car dealer took his life recently and left his loving family speechless and everyone that has even heard his name. He wasnt poor he lived in a very nice house and had a privliaged life but he took somethng away from our community that can't be replaced. and anotherr one a high school football star who hadd all the right thing goning for him hung himself ourt his window and was found by his mom who rushed him to the hospitle and they had him on life support and sid he wasnt going to live so all his friends and faimly come in and say there last good byes then his little 11 year old cousin, who he barley knew, walks in and asks every one to leave the room so they did but they were listing torough a window with the curtin drawn, and no one belived what they herd her say. She was yelling at him she said w2hy did u do this you? why would you be so dumb. you couldnt consider your faimly especilly me who knew you but never got the chacne to really Know you. We loved you! NOEW THELL ME WHY, she was screaming this at the top of her lungs at thim, this 18 year old boy then sat and held his hand for the rest of the time until they pulled the plug. Now this is proof that even tough you may not know it someone out here loves you knows you or wants to know you. So dont fudge crap up and consider the biggerr picture, like God and how everything will get better. Hell if your about to kill your self it cant get much worse can it? So when your sorry ass is low and feeling extra shitty get the fudge up go to a hospitle, your school counsler, your parents, your brother sister, a friend, a co worker, an online aquantince or something along those lines. they can help you! just remember this life isn't just about you...

^We apologise that you wasted six years writing that post, but your topic has been addressed.

Lol Elektrisk.

Personally, I think everyone should be talked to about suicide before they try to do it. Explain that their issues are only temporary and suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If you are under 25 I don't think they should give you the option of killing yourself. You've had no real life experience to think of. If you are under 25 and you try to kill yourself or you actually want to you should be admitted for help. Sorry. I don't think a kid should be able to do it. If you're an adult by all means, you know what your life goals are.

Me personally, I wouldn't kill myself. I've been depressed before. I have PTSD. And I have been depressed since being diagnosed with PTSD. But, I have never thought about killing myself. There really is nothing good that comes of it, unless you really have completed all your life goals. I want grandkids, and great grand kids. So, I plan on living a long life. I also have several things I want to complete before I die. I want to go to Australia. I've already seen 3/4 of Europe so that box is checked. I have never been to Canada, want to visit there for a couple weeks as well. I have a few things I want to do professionally before I die as well.

But, the way I look at is is when older people have done everything they want to in life, and are ready to die. They don't let people fuss over them in a hospital, they don't want to be resuscitated. It's the same thing.

I think no one should stand in the way of a person wanting to kill themselves, but, everyone should get some kind of counseling before they do it.

Regarding old people, I agree completely. If a person's life if practically over, and they know it, they should have the right to authorise euthanasia to be performed on them. I don't understand how it's unethical. Is performing against one's will "unethical"? If there's absolutely no chance that said person will recover from his or her condition, then there shouldn't be any hesitation to fullfill their request. I understand that it is, in a sense, taking another's life, but it's a) by their will and b) relieving them of their pain.

(12-24-2009, 11:57 PM)Elektrisk Wrote: [ -> ]^We apologise that you wasted six years writing that post, but your topic has been addressed.

Lol

Life sux but the question is .. does it swallow ? lol

Some of them are depressed and want/need attention from others, I seen that happen a couple of times.