(03-15-2011, 08:46 PM)Mous Wrote: [ -> ]And the thing is, I'm not reducing science to pure logic, I'm saying that science
works in predictable calculations. Which is the essence of science in the first place.
Proving that a specific result happens when X action is initiated in Y order.
Also, YOU can't simply say that "God" can't exist because there isn't
any visual evidence that proves him. As I said WAAAAY back in the
beginning of the thread, if that were the case, there would be no reason
for faith/belief.
There is no reason for faith! Christians know this and thats why they say have faith. All you have been saying is that science put's forward theories when in fact science is working hard to put forward relevant factual material, but all theist want to do is ignore this and say have faith. Science will one day bring the answers we all seek. Just give it time. Until then Christians keep your faith. I don't mind. Just don't tell me to put an offering to a false god. Or a god that hasn't revealed himself to our world's leaders or anyone else.
(03-15-2011, 09:07 PM)Socrates Wrote: [ -> ]There is no reason for faith! Christians know this and thats why they say have faith. All you have been saying is that science put's forward theories when in fact science is working hard to put forward relevant factual material, but all theist want to do is ignore this and say have faith. Science will one day bring the answers we all seek. Just give it time. Until then Christians keep your faith. I don't mind. Just don't tell me to put an offering to a false god. Or a god that hasn't revealed himself to our world's leaders or anyone else.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's like saying there's no reason to have theories in science!
Faith is the blood of religion. Without faith, we couldn't have trust.
Without trust, we couldn't have love.
That's not even talking about "God" either, that's human emotion.
Faith is a prerequisite for love and trust.
Faith not being necessary is the silliest notion I've ever heard.
If you honestly believe you can go through your entire life without faith,
even faith in yourself, then you have something seriously wrong with you.
I love gaining knowledge from you fellow members' debates.
(03-15-2011, 09:10 PM)Mous Wrote: [ -> ]HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's like saying there's no reason to have theories in science!
Faith is the blood of religion. Without faith, we couldn't have trust.
Without trust, we couldn't have love.
That's not even talking about "God" either, that's human emotion.
Faith is a prerequisite for love and trust.
Faith not being necessary is the silliest notion I've ever heard.
If you honestly believe you can go through your entire life without faith,
even faith in yourself, then you have something seriously wrong with you.
But theories are things that are being proven... Faith in all of religious perspective is foolish because it blantly says have faith in god. Who you can't see, or hear. Faith in love is different. I can see my lover, know her , etc. So to compare religious faith to emotional faith is flat irrelevant. I don't think you get the argument. You can't prove god exist. Atheist and scientist are working to prove he doesn't exist. Of course now we should all look at it from an agnostic perspective but since most people won't we have to chose a side. Im chosing the side with reason. The side that has factual evidence that I can comprehend besides saying god, said "let there be light and there was light" haha . Whoever wrote the bible is the best seller of Bologna
(03-15-2011, 09:19 PM)Socrates Wrote: [ -> ]Faith in love is different. I can see my lover, know her , etc. So to compare religious faith to emotional faith is flat irrelevant.
How is having faith in "God's love" different than emotional love?
love is love no matter who that emotion comes from.
You're trying to argue semantics on a word being used
in the same sense.
What about this; Just because you SEE your wife/girlfriend every day,
does that mean you KNOW she's not cheating on you?
No, not at all. You have to have FAITH that she isn't, otherwise you can't
trust/love her. You have to believe in what you can't see when you're not
there. Same thing applies to "God".
You can't SEE him, but you are taught to have FAITH in him regardless.
I'm gonna say this one more time, before you post again.
You're STILL trying to disprove God using science.
THIS CAN'T BE DONE.
That's (like I said) trying to prove ghosts using numbers.
inb4 he comes back using more scientific theories to disprove something immeasurable.
God is a human made imaginary object where we can dump all our worries on to. But, thats just my opinion.
(03-15-2011, 09:27 PM)L3g1tWa5te Wrote: [ -> ]God is a human made imaginary object where we can dump all our worries on to. But, thats just my opinion.
I sometimes wonder that myself.
Dubstep obviously created god.
Anyone who learns about sience, knows that most scientists believe in supreme being, who ever he is.
Read books, learn about life.
I love to read, when these pseudo-intellectual kids start to argue about god and life.
You think you have figured out all the life questions? What is god, what is life, what is love, how everything works?
Anyone in his right ming would know that making a argument about god leads nowhere.
Some people have faith, some dont. crap happens.
You have no proof of god existing and him not existing.